Alex Tsakiris: Okay, Bernardo. Let me move on to another couple of criticisms and here’s one of my favorites because it really captures the lack of deep thinking that always seems to accompany this goofy materialism. I hate to say it so conclusively but we’ve both been doing this for a long time, and you go down these rutted roads that have been so well worn that after a while you see it coming. But you label this as criticism #14: Why would consciousness deceive us by simulating a materialist world?
Dr. Bernardo Kastrup: It is a precious one, isn’t it?
Alex Tsakiris: It is precious in the same way that a child says something, and it’s just precious. It doesn’t make a lot of sense, but you just have to marvel at it.
Dr. Bernardo Kastrup: There is so much prejudice imbedded in it in a way that people are not self-reflectively aware of it. It’s amazing. As I write in the book, why did the sun deceive us for so many centuries by pretending to go around the Earth? Why did the Earth itself deceive us for so long by pretending to be flat? It’s the same kind of question as asking why is the universe deceiving us by pretending materialism to be correct? It’s not the universe. The universe it what it is. The sun has always been doing what it always did. The Earth has always been spheroid since it’s formation. Nothing is deceiving anything. The only thing that’s deceiving is ourselves. Materialists are deceiving themselves by interpreting the world according to a certain perspective, certain implicit, hidden assumptions. And they are so committed to that, thinking so much within the box, when they are pushed out of the box they ask this kind of question. Why is the world deceiving me by pretending materialism to be true? Yeah, ask the sun why it deceived us by pretending to go around the Earth. It’s the same kind of question.
|Traditional Christian||God Interactive||Nature Living organism|
|Early mechanistic||God Interactive||Nature Machine|
|Enlightenment deism||God Creator only||Nature Machine|
|Romantic deism||God Creator only||Nature Living organism|
|Romantic atheism||No God||Nature Living organism|
|Materialism||No God||Nature Machine|
Sheldrake, Rupert (2012-09-04). Science Set Free: 10 Paths to New Discovery (p. 39). Random House, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
As early as 1912, Lenin wrote the following in a letter to Russian author Maxim Gorki: “Millions of acts of violence, of illnesses and epidemics, are much less dangerous than the most purified, the slightest idea of a God…. God is the personal enemy of the Communist society.”
He also wrote, “Religion is a kind of spiritual vodka, in which the slaves of capital drown their human features and their reverence for a somehow dignified human life.”
There are those who choose to think like Lenin; but there are also multitudes who choose to believe in God.
To you it might be doubtful if God exists, but the following Jewish story surely exists:
A rabbi put the following question to a man in his congregation: “Two men enter a house through the chimney. The one is dirty, the other clean. Which of them washes himself?”
The Jew replies, “Surely, the dirty one.”
“No,” says the rabbi, “because the dirty man sees that the other is clean, so he presumes he is clean, too. The clean man, seeing the dirt on the other, believes he is dirty also and washes himself.
“Now I have a second question,” continues the rabbi. “Two men enter a house through the chimney. One is dirty, the other clean. Which one washes himself?”
The Jew answers, “Now I know: the clean one.”
“No,” says the rabbi. “The clean man looks at his hands and clothes and sees they are clean, so why should he wash? The other man sees that he is dirty all over, so he washes.”
The rabbi put a third question: “Two men enter a house through the chimney. One is clean, the other dirty. Which one washes himself?”
In despair, the Jew shouts, “Both!”
“Wrong,” says the rabbi.“If two men enter through a chimney, how can one remain clean? Did you not see that the question is foolish?”
So any human questioning of God is foolish. If there were no intelligent Creator, there would be no intelligent being to put questions or to deny the intelligent Creator. God simply exists. Even the assertion that He exists is a condescension to the unreasonableness of ordinary thinking.
Wurmbrand, Richard (2011-05-24). Proofs of God’s Existence (Kindle Locations 325-341). Living Sacrifice Book Company. Kindle Edition.